Logic and Illogic in Education

Logic and Illogic in Education
by Jon Rappoport

Jon's article elucidates the need for tool of logic in analysing arguments that are in fact deceits or conceits of an oppositional or coercive agenda that manipulators and manipulated spin and become ensnared in.

My comment:

Well for one the dumbing down and subversion of the education system is a design strategy and for two the discernment of a hidden personal agenda is natural to anyone who can rest the mental of reaction and simply abide in a relational willingness of receptivity - which of course one will not when identified or triggered within a conditioned personal identification.
So I see your logic as the the test of consistency or congruency - an absence of self-contradiction. For if something is this it cant be that - unless it is both this and that and more.
I have no academic training in logic. I looked up polemic - which I see as an oppositional identity that thrives or arrives at a sense of self by seeking to undermine the perceived adversary or rival.
This sense of getting power from the denial or destruction of power in others is an illusion of power - with all the power of belief and identification invested in it.

A formal argument is closer to a desire to articulate or give form and focus to an issue that has confusion or contention and a sense of needing clarity in order to proceed or act further.
Willingness for communication is not merely a verbal statement or belief - for our hidden agenda includes our subconscious and unconscious denials and operates in act whether we or others recognize it or share the agreements to not see.

I am not arguing against using any tools that serve the clarifying and unifying of purpose in communication and action - but I feel your (Jon') broader arguments are always set within the framework of guilt and the inevitable power struggle to distribute it - and the punishment or dis-empowerment that is part of dealing with the hated and feared - once blame can be set and enforced.

I say there is no possibility of real communication while a power struggle is being enacted and that speaking truth to power is a matter of focusing entirely within the issues of communication as communication - and not using it as the promotion of a self-agenda as the righteous judge and determiner of 'reality'.

I also acknowledge there are those or those in certain triggered states who are not at all open or willing for communication - and while this may well be because their denied terror or rage 'locks' them into a denial mode of consciousness as weapon and defence - one cannot tell them this and be anything but used thereby. One can learn to be the conditions of willingness that do not trigger or inflame the other and extend a presence that is neither deferential or seeking to deny or undermine the capacity to choose that is inherent in consciousness - and thus use what is evident as a means to reflect choices being made that have negative associations - and this can lead to a willingness to open enough to consider other perspectives - and this is a moment of willingness that is easily squandered if seen as a chink in their armour.

If you want war-mindedness - you have it and no one can take it from you - excepting you die or withdraw completely from relational embodiment - perhaps as if to prove death over Life as your ultimate polemic - but... so what?

If you thought war-mindedness was the ONLY REAL option - or the Way things work - then I invite sharing a a curiosity to revisit the underlying conditioning and seek a fresh perspective - for the power-struggle can only result in a world such as we have made and it is a dead end of futile and tragic experience - excepting that this operates a recognition of who we are NOT - by which to awaken who we are from the beliefs that operate beneath our awareness of them.

The willingness to learn is what has to be cultivated, recognized and nurtured. The learning will draw forth its fulfilment with perhaps some guidance and encouragement - or it will meet denials in terms of non-acceptance for its true desire and demands to conform within set patterns that are essentially loveless regardless their presentation. We have to be this for ourselves and recognize that guidance for ourself can come through any agency or synchronicity of event - regardless the forms of our judgements as to what our answers should be or what form they should take.

Imagination opens a channel to Spirit when it is not reactively locked into a negative self-definition - in which case it serves self-limitation.

Humanity presents itself as evolving and progressing whilst engaging in ever more self-limitation. Even the 'rationality' that is focused in the desire to define and control is a form of the same old conditioning in which such an imposition of control was invoked by a conflicted identity or chaotic fragmentation of purpose. True Reason is Sanity - one and the same. You cannot make a unity of a self-contradiction - but you can entertain contradiction AS IF the underlying purpose has been replaced with warring minds and believe it true.

"Know Thyself" is operating in time and beyond time whether we recognize this or attend to the replacement for knowing that the energetic of conflict operates in thought that fleshes out the casting of personae within a negative rendering of  Presence - for every attack on the presence of 'another' is Self-attack unrecognized. Asserting and defending a bunch of thoughts is not the same as the sharing of a truly knowing and being known - and nor will its 'success' arrive at an appreciation your reality - as an integral part of Wholeness. Flowery language perhaps - but when an ancient hate shifts to such a recognition, words are the last things on our mind.

And perhaps the words we start to attract and employ thereafter become unreal, heretical or despicable to the war-minded - and so they are generally filtered out, ignored and passed by, as if the science is settled. But a willingness to uncover truth is never 'settled' but is the movement of Life Itself. To grasp at forms of truth and assert them or possess them is to choose a hollow life at odds with the Movement of your own being. It's a dance! But the joy-song cannot move the armoured

Logic - this is NOT that.

Logic: how to introduce it and improve mush-minds

Jon Rappoport


I felt to join in a 'conversation' with what Jon Rappoport is saying:


Logic is consistency and congruency of thought but does not provide its own basis or foundation from which to automatically proceed or unfold itself.

Such a starting point may be an assertion or stated definition or belief that can take the form of a foundation - while already being in contradiction.

"This is that" or false association is the minds capacity to imagine meanings that reflect its own wish to override, distort, exploit and re-frame Felt and Shared Relational Meaning as a sense of power to invoke a private mind-dream upon Shared Mind-Stream (Communication Itself) and reconfigure such mind in emulation to project and externalize its denials and interpret them as world to be likewise manipulated, exploited, usurped.

Imagination without integrity is conflicting purpose. Mind Itself is another term for without limit but thought that is not directly extending the Qualities of Mind is self-contradiction. The law of Mind is its unqualified nature and never in fact defined by any framing perspective within thought by which to use 'As If' to replace 'As Is'. What Is - Is and what Is, is as it is - but can be experience infinitely - which includes experiencing it as it is Not as an effect of holding focus and desire in definition that is untrue of What and Who you are as the awareness of existence; a unique expression of the movement of Being in the act of creation that is integrally part or and one with Every other likewise unique expression of Existence - within a richness or multidimensional interrelated that is both the wholeness (Non Local) AND the specific (Local) at Once - with every instant being a wholeness of integrality clearly felt and received and shared - or mis-taken within the lens of a falsely or incompletely asserted self-definition.

The ability to differentiate in thought within and seemingly from Awareness, is a power to forget, cover over or Not Know, (that you are knowing) is part of the movement of segregative consciousness. Implicit to initiating such movement is the reintegrative movement of coming back into your right (whole) Mind - as Is. The interplay of shifting focus in these apparent polarities of possibility and probability is Experience. But the nature of the Integrative movement is a higher, more embracing perspective of synchronicity... presence - as is.

'What you give out is what you get back' is also a law or unalterable nature of Mind - and regardless any form of expression, its foundation is your reflection. So it can be said as 'where you are coming from is where you are experiencing yourself to be'. Coming from or embodying an idea of conflicted self-definition must result the reflection of conflicting relation or world.

So the experiencing of a self-conflicted dissonance is a result or effect of taking a definition of self and allowing it to run instead of the Mind that is your source and nature - for your own reasons.

But the law of mind as it applies to a false foundation projects itself out as a split off logical extension of denial and denied-ness, that operate in the active but disguised suppression and avoidance of  dissonance-guilt, dissonance-terror, dissonance-rage - and so forth - so that a self-focus can be 'born' within but temporarily unconscious of a deeper imprint conditioning that generates the framing of its world or life experience.

The willingness or grace of noticing and releasing of the false is the stirring or rising of and honesty or undefended awareness of being that recognizes what it is NOT as NOT true and not available or in any sense meaningful to accept, use, focus within, value, identify with or against or persist in giving attention and investment to. The natural movement of being simply operates clearly to a free attention and is recognisably Life - not conceptualizable forms of derivative impressions and association by which to assert or claim a mind of one's own - over (any symbolic or conceptual image of) Life.

This Movement of being is the capacity of discernment - for the acceptance of what is truly resonant and relevant to who you in this instant know and feel yourself to be, illuminates all that is incongruent or dissonant to you within the light of an awareness of a relational wholeness of being - that in simple terms is the call to joy - but as the unfolding or your own unique receiving and giving of wholeness, fulfilment, appreciation, and gratitude.

The Movement of (the focus) of being within the Infinite or edgeless and open quality of wholeness is the restoring of imagination as the true expression of an integrity of embrace - and the healing of a split off sense of self-hatred that was fed by denial and given power by fear to rage demoniacally in an unwatched mind.

This is a sketch in word-meanings of a willingness to open/share perspective of a Living Movement of being. The word-meanings can never substitute for the willingness - excepting a wish to seem to be who or what I am not - for my own reasons. That is - for reasons that can be uncovered and enquired of in simple curiosity to be found revealing of something that serves me in a way that I can now accept, release and move on from or 'put behind me' by the simplicity of embracing what I prefer rather than being defined by what I do NOT want.