Kronic Shade said on the Internet:
There's certainly tons of nuts out there that think they talk to God everyday, and yet in spite of how crazy they'd have to be, I bet the majority of them are at least socially aware enough to know that telling people about their conversations, which happen specifically inside their own heads, would never serve as convincing proof to any semi-reasonable person ever lol. Thinking that it would is taking one stupid belief and then raising it to a hole new level of crazy.
I said to Kronic Shade something about 'talking to God' that moved up to share in me :
Everyone is ALWAYS talking to God. But have trained themselves to believe they are more important and attending something much more important. I'll tell you a joke that might get it across:
This guy John sees Bill Gates at an airport lounge and seizing the opportunity, introduces himself and asks if Bill will do him a favour and just greet him when he passes by with his friend in a few minutes time. Bill says "ok John". John and his friend pass by later and Bill looks up and says "Hi John!" and John loudly interrupts him "F++k off Gates - cant you see I'm busy!"
Everyone is unique. Some people are comfortable in a verbal simplicity out front - some keep their feelings very very guarded and only open them in special occasions. But it is what is in the heart that returns - though if the heart is actively blocked by a lot of negative feelings that are themselves denied - as in 'tough nut' - then there's nothing really being shared at all - except the negativity leaks out all around and that then becomes the false god - where what we are becomes defined by shit happening everywhere - and there's no one to trust and no real way out but to fight for whatever you can get.
That's a kind of god too... the devil you (think) you know.
If I want to talk to God I listen for what truly moves me and go with that in the way it moves me. That might be challenging but it feels good as a sense of worth in action - alive. Words are crap to communicate with - its always simpler and closer than words. That's why we invented words - to get away from the simple closeness of Life.
When you shit on people or denigrate them - it doesn't make you higher - it just stores up your treasure in hell. When you honour people for that they are more than they seem and can learn and discover what they need just as you do in your own way - you store up your treasure in heaven. This can be taken as in the future - but I don't mean it like that. Your Now is your current responsibility. Inescapable - but HOW you choose to use that is up to you.
I don't think it matters whether one believes in "God" as such. But if you are strongly believing against something - anything - it wont be allowed into your perception.
Ironic to use the Gates of Hell for a God joke - but the idea of God as a very special and powerful persona is at best a stepping stone to move on from. But wherever we are at is our only starting place from which to move.
Here's to the God in you - which makes me a crazy nut - if you want. Unless a nut falls to the ground and seems to die no shoot shall grow from it. I was a hard nut to crack - perhaps God laughs at the joke! Lightening up is better than trading lightening bolts - but - its your choice.
My reply:
Yes, as personalities we come in every variety of patterning of energetic attractions and repulsion. Why do we get riled by some when others don't? You are right that some present a barn door at point blank range to shoot down - but they are not listening and refuse to do anything but seek to use your own mind against you - so why get drawn in? We all have resonances that are triggered into reaction that we can learn from or just keep reacting with. Is the conditioning that seems to force us to react so different from 'voices in our head'? Yes in some ways but not in others. It feels to me that the desire - and sometimes the urgency to help or teach or fix others is the last ditch defence against truly accepting that help myself. Its the way the mind works to defend the 'personality' against what might be called the pre-verbal being - the original nature - that 'civilising' has to temporarily cover over to some degree - but not to demonize and deny. When our true nature is denied it leaks out in all kinds of ways. Suppressed joy can make us sick and disconnected 'people' seek connection in all kinds of ways. True joy is not a sense of disconnection. I don't give worthship to a god of sacrifice - but that is a deeper imprint than even religions. Where's our joy in life? It is sacrificed to the god of fear and guilt. Have a look where we deny ourselves and then have self-hate that needs to blame outside. I feel to develop discernment as to who I address and what moves me. You like a bit of a rant - ok. There's frustration. That's honesty. Did the guy with the voices in his head cause it - or trigger something already in you? I'm not pushing anything here - just enjoy opening up a perspective that I enjoy - and extend by invitation - no strings.
Kronic Shade back to me
What youre talking about is a personal, and very spiritual, perception/interaction with reality. What I'm talking about is people, who debate the existence of god by saying "if he doesn't exist then how do you explain the voices in my head!", and thinking they made a good point.
My reply:
Yes, as personalities we come in every variety of patterning of energetic attractions and repulsion. Why do we get riled by some when others don't? You are right that some present a barn door at point blank range to shoot down - but they are not listening and refuse to do anything but seek to use your own mind against you - so why get drawn in? We all have resonances that are triggered into reaction that we can learn from or just keep reacting with. Is the conditioning that seems to force us to react so different from 'voices in our head'? Yes in some ways but not in others. It feels to me that the desire - and sometimes the urgency to help or teach or fix others is the last ditch defence against truly accepting that help myself. Its the way the mind works to defend the 'personality' against what might be called the pre-verbal being - the original nature - that 'civilising' has to temporarily cover over to some degree - but not to demonize and deny. When our true nature is denied it leaks out in all kinds of ways. Suppressed joy can make us sick and disconnected 'people' seek connection in all kinds of ways. True joy is not a sense of disconnection. I don't give worthship to a god of sacrifice - but that is a deeper imprint than even religions. Where's our joy in life? It is sacrificed to the god of fear and guilt. Have a look where we deny ourselves and then have self-hate that needs to blame outside. I feel to develop discernment as to who I address and what moves me. You like a bit of a rant - ok. There's frustration. That's honesty. Did the guy with the voices in his head cause it - or trigger something already in you? I'm not pushing anything here - just enjoy opening up a perspective that I enjoy - and extend by invitation - no strings.
