Forgive and know yourself forgiven - Papal BS?

This post was into a page about the Pope begging forgiveness for the Church for its part in sexual misconduct regarding children in its care.

My comment:

One cannot apologise for what one has not first already at least believed to have done wrong. Apology from an institution is like a welcome sign in a supermarket - neither is a personal communication. 

The Pope may deeply be sorry that suffering has occurred - as may anyone else - but this is not correction.

There is a sense in which we can ALL repent of the mind that uses others for personal gratifications in any regard whatsoever - for in our engaging of such lovelessness do we in some sense support a loveless world.

The church holds the value of forgiveness. My sense of forgiveness is a gift to our self that comes from fully owning and facing our fears, hurts and hates - and all the choices that rise out of such ignorance.

It does not work to wish for forgiveness anymore than wishing something hadn't happened, for wishing is not a wholeness of will. Wishing is of a mind unchanged and unwilling to change. A true change of heart wills action from that fresh presence that can be felt as a shifted perspective rather than attempting different presentations of the same thing.

Institutional self protection is about reputation or image perceived. Perhaps the church that Jesus built on Peter was not an institution - but a real relationship.

Genuinely relating, is love's recognition - not a personal fantasy gratification.

In love's fulfilment one is not inclined to invite, accept or indulge in hateful deceits. The Church could be a voice for love in a world that forgets - but to have any authority it must embody love's presence - and not a wishful presentation of piety or good intentions.

There is hatred in the human heart. It cannot be healed if it is not owned. The excommunication of self-hatred denies love's presence - but love's awareness is for all. None are to be left out. The Pope can speak for the institution he represents, he cannot speak for God nor change the Nature of God's All Embracing Love. But it is true that if we act out of accord with our true nature, we will not know it, share it and recognize it - so in this sense we excommunicate ourselves.

There is much more to the mind than the tiny part that we tend to acknowledge. Unless we can awaken from the persona or surface personality, we will not have a basis to uncover what is at work in our lives when we embody the victim or the victimiser. The issue of child abuse is mostly about power - and wherever there is power over others, there is corruption in one form or another.

Who seeks power over others but those who believe or fear they are powerless? Likewise those who call to external powers to save them will give their power to those who assume the right to manage their lives!

The children inherit the world we pass on in all that we communicate. But they may come to decide what to discard and what to keep from their own sense of the truth of their being. Victimhood is part of our human conditioning - but we can rise above it and thus recondition our minds. It is a matter of perspective.

May the mind that was in Christ Jesus be also in yours - for such was his ministry to uncover and awaken - was it not?

I have lost the link for but in the comments the theme of  a page about Rolf Harris, the theme of forgiveness came up and was aggressively rejected - and the passage from the Lord's Payer was paraphrased: "Forgive as you would be forgiven"

Here is what I wrote in on forgiveness:

This is more radically appreciated as a recognition within one's own consciousness rather than applied as a social coercion or entreaty. As I release you of what I hate in myself but SEE in you - I will experience that release. (You may or may not use the gift according to your own willingness to accept).

The attempt to use religion as a social behavioural coercion hides the practical immediate effective correction in exchange for otherworldly magical beliefs and wishes.

No one can be coerced into releasing their judgement upon their self or upon others - but they can be served with a reflection of their choice - as they are willing to receive it - so as to choose anew. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is a timeless fact - and not a time space consequence. Judgement of the tree of good and evil is before the world we now take to be Creation - yet is Creation through a lens darkly.

The power of thought is rendered as appearance of weakness in wishing - yet "Thy Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven" signifies an aligned Will - of unified purpose. One of the ways that a separate, opposing, weak or failing and conflicted will is maintained in our mind is via the appeal of victimhood as a method to justify hate and the withdrawal of love. Because we are love and know love its by extending through us, the worship of hate covers the altar of our true devotions.

Far from being used to establish your guilt, this is the error of taking your own self image  or definition in preference to that of your true Created being - which remains un-coverable to your willingness to receive.

The psychology of guilt is the psychology of coercion. If one does not use guilt as a measuring stick - one can see the insanity arising from ignorances that are a result OF belief in guilt. Sin is contagion in the mind unless and until it is put behind - unused - disregarded - unwanted - meaningless to a love of loving.

The pretence that guilt is merely a personal surface or a social disincentive is part of a rationalisation that is called upon to hide it beneath a surface world in which one seems to have the job of either overcoming, fixing or in some way prevailing over adversity. But we do not renew our foundation by covering lies with wishes - no matter how forcefully we assert those wishes.

The crucifixion is a symbol for what we each do unto our Self - while not knowing what we do - at our foundation in the 'world'.

It does not seem we have chosen such a script but that we are unjustly violated, Compassionate embrace for such suffering is needed as a lifeline in a darkness. For a wholly justified hate denies all light. Whatever our lives unfold, we may come to open other perspectives that deepen our own capacity for compassion. The alternative is a religion that worships victimhood as the 'holy truth' of Life. 

We may not find our full willingness immediately, but unless we lean consistently toward a willingness to receive and give truly, we drift as an ever recycling lovelessness in a script of pain, confusion and struggle.

"Who is without sin, let them throw the first stone" is not only calling one to look within and see that one is not without sin - but a call to the sinless honesty that does not need to ex 'communicate' in such terms.